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04-19-2011, 03:51 PM
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Guys i'm very worried I'm being blackmailed and extorted by the CEO of Venusian Arts. I'm contemplating going to the police. Basically I paid for a bootcamp and foolishy bought into their coach program and a 1-1 for a fine 」9000 of which I've paid all but 」1000. with a 」10,000 loan which I'm now paying back.

Here is the correspondence. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Hi Chris,

Sadly I have not left messages, voicemails 6 times to get you to contact me to pay the 」1000 you owe.

I am a reasonable man and could have worked out a payment plan or something - but can not tolerate what I effectively see as stealing! Yes, stealing. I view this as your actions indicate you have no intention of paying and you have taken a service, then not paid i.e. stealing.

I will be treating it as such. An ex Army friend of mine owns a Debt Collection Company, specialising in personal and Door collections. I am torn by having to resort to such actions because you were meant to be working towards joining our team.

some things you should consider.

1. the address I have on file I believe is your parent's address and how do you think they will feel having Debt Collectors turn up on their door in the evening?

2. You emails/texts I am advised are sufficient proof that you accept you owe the money and were struggling to pay - now you have just ignored my contact giving me grounds to use an efficient Personal Collection Service.

3. you will be liable for all agency costs I use to pursue the debt (Debt Collectors (」280 per day), Legal correspondence @」220 per hour for services used.

4. I will wait 7 days and if I have not heard from you the following will happen:

a. you will be removed from all our forums, team affiliations and there will be no-recourse on this thereafter as we must treat this instance as dishonest behaviour.

b. within 3 days from now a legal letter will be sent to you and your parents warning of imminent Debt Collector Visits, who will plan visits within 5 days to both your home and your place of work!

c. the Debt Collection Agency at optional request from us, will also send a notice to your employers regarding both the nature of the services you received and the refusal to make payment.

YOUR choice Chris! I am disappointed it has come to this.

19 Apr 2011, at 09:53, Christopher wrote:

Sean

I think this has got a bit out of hand all you need to do is take me to a small claims court.

Do not threaten me anymore you don't even know where I work by all means send all the correspondence to my parents as you wish you will only cause me embarrassment.

I do not wish to speak to you further regarding this matter. You have stolen over 」9,000 from me as far as I'm concerned.

Please remove me from your forums I want nothing further to do with your organisation and it's mercenaries.

I have attached a correspondence address I do not live at this address so please don't send your army there as you won't find me. I look forward to your summons from any county court.

From: discovery@venusianarts.co.uk
Subject: Re: Final Request - FORMAL NOTIFICATION
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:54:25 +0100
To:

amazing what details the Anglo Irish Bank will give out when you are to benefit from official visits - you might want to speak to them about giving out your forwarding address!

Shaun-Michael Adams aka Discovery
CEO & National Coaching Director
The Venusian Arts
discovery@venusianarts.co.uk
www.venusianarts.com
+1 (213) 270 1191 (USA)
+44 (0) 788 555 3000 (UK cell/mobile)
+44 (0) 115 714 0865 (UK)
+61 (02) 8007 5552 (AUS)

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On 19 Apr 2011, Christopher

Anglo Irish Bank eh?
may I be so spineless and enquire where you acquired that information from?

I don't owe you a penny let's take this matter to court once and for all. I'll send you a summons first if that's what u want and you can counter sue I've done 3 law modules at university I know the system. I think we are both wasting our time.

Send my parents everything waste your time I think the only repricussion will be the pain from the financial loss.

What's your next move then?

5:20 PM (5 hours ago)
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Subject: Re: Final Request - FORMAL NOTIFICATION
From: discovery@venusianarts.co.uk

Chris,

Your tone and attitude in Lying to me about the 」1000 you owe me personally + 」45 accommodation is beyond my wanting to pursue you in court - as it's personal - it will be personally collected - you had your chance. Oh and those collecting will be wanting reimbursed for their time and it's not coming out of my slice - do will let you plead your case to them face to face.

Suggestion - don't be all brave behind emails Chris - it won't last Long.







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04-19-2011, 04:05 PM
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You should consult an attorney as soon as possible. Take with you to the attorney the contract you signed with VA, the e-mail correspondence, and any and all paperwork you have from these guys. Even if the paperwork seems inconsequential to you, take it.

Also, sit down right now and write out the details of every phone conversation you had with every VA operative. Get a calendar and write down the dates and times. Go get your cell phone bills to improve the accuracy of your records.

Even though an attorney will cost money, only an attorney can handle this situation. I am not sure there is much the police can do.

If you don't know how to find an attorney, consult a local consumer advocacy organization who can help you.

If you need help with that, post your location and I and I'm sure the others here will try to help you find a consumer advocacy group for you.

This is outrageous and you do not deserve to be treated this way.

Start helping yourself now by 1) collecting all the paperwork 2) printing out all the e-mails 3) writing out all you can remember about every time you dealt with VA 4) finding a lawyer.

Best of luck

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04-19-2011, 04:59 PM
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04-19-2011, 06:06 PM
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That is ridiculous.

Obviously you have to pay the money back if you have a contract with them. But the guy is being a total douche making threats when there is a legal system designed for such instances. What is he a modern day Shylock wanting his pound of flesh? Consult a lawyer and get the lawyer to write a strongly worded email to sean

But seriously dude? You live with your parents and are splashing out 」10,000 on a boot camp and getting a loan to do so?

Get on a sound financial footing, then worry about women







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04-19-2011, 08:39 PM
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lol

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04-19-2011, 09:59 PM
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lol
I wouldn't.

you're more of a loser than that guy.

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04-19-2011, 10:01 PM
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If he's threatening you like this just contact the police.

print it all off, get a highlighter pen and high light the bits where he talks about his strong friends paying you a visit and take it to the police station

make an appointment.

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04-19-2011, 11:40 PM
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LOL shit bro 10K loan to pay for a PUA bootcamp? Wow thats all I can say.

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04-19-2011, 11:50 PM
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Get the money back by lawyers.

Get a lawyer to write a 20 page legal rubbish, threaten to sue them for $100,000 unless they pay back the $9,000. + letter of apology.

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04-20-2011, 03:09 AM
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+1

Get a lawyer and try to get your money back.

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04-20-2011, 05:04 AM
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get a lawyer

thanks for your interresting post about VA

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04-20-2011, 05:16 AM
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If a lawyer is too much, since you've spent a tonne of money and you're obviously in the UK you can also get free advice from the citizens advice bureau which deal with legal and debt issues usually for free.

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04-20-2011, 08:12 AM
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Interesting I might give discovery a call.

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04-20-2011, 08:27 AM
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Interesting I might give discovery a call.
Tip: When you call, be sure to identify yourself as a moderator of a message board.


Edit: send him to your home page for added impact.

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04-20-2011, 08:46 AM
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If a lawyer is too much, since you've spent a tonne of money and you're obviously in the UK you can also get free advice from the citizens advice bureau which deal with legal and debt issues usually for free.

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This.

Also, whatever you do now do not take legal advice over the internet or have people call on your behalf apart from a consumer advocate or a lawyer. DO NOT TALK TO THEM OR EMAIL THEM FURTHER. Consult the group GentlemanJack suggests and see a a lawyer asap.

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04-20-2011, 08:50 AM
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So, Venusian Arts is resorting to extortion now?

ROFL

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04-20-2011, 09:17 AM
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it was a good idea to post this here.

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04-20-2011, 09:49 AM
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Chris,

Your tone and attitude in Lying to me about the 」1000 you owe me personally + 」45 accommodation is beyond my wanting to pursue you in court - as it's personal - it will be personally collected - you had your chance. Oh and those collecting will be wanting reimbursed for their time and it's not coming out of my slice - do will let you plead your case to them face to face.

Suggestion - don't be all brave behind emails Chris - it won't last Long.
When I read this, he is DEMANDING that you take him to court.

Give the man what he wants...

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04-20-2011, 09:57 AM
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yeah man go get another 10 thousand dollar loan to pay for a scamming lawyer

idiot. just drop it and get your money back. find mystery and kick his fucking ass


if i lost 10 big G's on some loser internet scammer i would invest on a $300 round trip flight + public transportation + $5 crow bar then find this weasel and give him a taste of my medicine. well see who has to pay $100 thousand dollars for cosmetic reconstructive surgery

if someone fucked me over this badly there is no telling how much i would cross the fucking line







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04-20-2011, 10:00 AM
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Discovery is such a try hard faggot.

COME AT US BRO.

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04-20-2011, 11:34 AM
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yeah man go get another 10 thousand dollar loan to pay for a scamming lawyer

idiot. just drop it and get your money back. find mystery and kick his fucking ass


if i lost 10 big G's on some loser internet scammer i would invest on a $300 round trip flight + public transportation + $5 crow bar then find this weasel and give him a taste of my medicine. well see who has to pay $100 thousand dollars for cosmetic reconstructive surgery

if someone fucked me over this badly there is no telling how much i would cross the fucking line

Shutupwoman is insane and I don't condone this at all, but man, that would be fucking hilarious to see some nerdy wannabe pua who got ripped off going after Mystery with a crowbar, while Mystery pees his pants and runs away with his gawky Big Bird-like body flailing in all directions and madly pushing his baby stroller ahead of him or perhaps even using his baby as a human shield. Now that would be a pua video I'd pay good money for (just as long as no harm came to the baby).

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Shutupwoman is insane and I don't condone this at all, but man, that would be fucking hilarious to see some nerdy wannabe pua who got ripped off going after Mystery with a crowbar, while Mystery pees his pants and runs away with his gawky Big Bird-like body flailing in all directions and madly pushing his baby stroller ahead of him or perhaps even using his baby as a human shield. Now that would be a pua video I'd pay good money for (just as long as no harm came to the baby).
HAHAHAHA

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04-20-2011, 01:27 PM
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Call an attorney.

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PM me, and I'll tell you what to do.
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04-20-2011, 03:35 PM
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Shaun-Michael Adams aka Discovery:



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Right I take it I can't delete my posts, seeing as its locked from editing?
THe person you want to contact is Nicholaus by pm.

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doorstep collector cant do anything, only bailfs can and it would cost them money to take you to court so they wont.

did you actullly attend a bootcamp, if you did and you want your nmoney back how can you get it back

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got a shirt for him to wear , creates an easy opener since girl will already know hes a cunt before he approaches they wont have to find out after hes talked aload of shit to them









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Fucking awesome contribution there, shithead. If you don't want to be banned, stay in off topic where you belong, or actually contribute some value instead of repetitive one line posts.

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04-29-2011, 03:29 PM
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Guys,

Thank you for all your help. I was actually contemplating going back to VA after Discovery called me several nights after this to see if he could still get in touch. He informed me some people had been prank calling his phone and he doesn't want to pursue legal action.

This has escalated to the point where of course I cannot possibly continue any relations with VA.

I will not be taking any legal action, for a number of reasons first of all I feel this expense has taught me a valuable lesson and legal action is expensive. Discovery has called off his debt collection agency Fredrickson International. I have had to endure twice daily phone calls and text messages from them until I switched off my phone.
http://www.fredricksoninternational.co.uk/

I would like to clarify a few things mentioned above:
This is not a honey trap and who ever you are I think you are a VA agent.

I do not live with my parents they live 200 miles away on a small island I live in London and earn a fair salary I should have my loan paid off in the next 3 months but that is besides the point I have dramatically lowered my quality of life in order to do that and this is the most foolish thing I have ever done in my life.

I have signed no contracts and have no proof of paying anything apart from the withdrawals from my account.

I appreciate Ross Jeffries help:

http://www.puafraud.com/discovery-pu...-wake-up-call/

This is one additional piece of correspondence I forgot to attach, I wanted to include screenshots to further prove what I've said but I can't seem to.
From: Discovery (discovery@venusianarts.co.uk)
Sent: 19 April 2011 10:33:46
To: Christopher Flack (c_flack8472@hotmail.com)

I dont work that way Chris - so you aren't getting out of this!

Don't dare suggest we stole - we have tried hard with you - but being spineless and not responding as you owe money is pitiful.

Yes, if embarrassment helps provoke your pain and want to avoid further, yes I will share with your parents - I have all your emails of why you want to do the program and even videos of you at Vegas infield and in classroom.

Your choice - this won go away an won't be dealt with in your preferred manner.

Sent from my iPhone

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