Former Venusian Arts trainee coach

[Tdarcos]

Originally Posted by Simplyfly

No he said he can't authorise the removal of funds from VA's accounts without LD's permission and they meet next week.

If you can't get a refund from the vendor, you call your bank and demand a chargeback. The rules are that you're supposed to contact the vendor and demand a refund. They're stalling, so you demand a chargeback for non-performance, and the bank will then credit you unless they can show your reason has no merit. This means the requirement to prove the validity of the charge now falls on them.

Of course it's too late now, but one thing you want to remember is you don't want to allow stalling so long that they push you past the 60 day point from when the order was charged so that you now can't chargeback the transaction.

Tansin A. Darcos (TDarcos)
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"The lessons of history teach us - if they teach us anything - that no one learns the lessons that history teaches us."

[Simplyfly]

Originally Posted by Tdarcos

If you can't get a refund from the vendor, you call your bank and demand a chargeback. The rules are that you're supposed to contact the vendor and demand a refund. They're stalling, so you demand a chargeback for non-performance, and the bank will then credit you unless they can show your reason has no merit. This means the requirement to prove the validity of the charge now falls on them.

Of course it's too late now, but one thing you want to remember is you don't want to allow stalling so long that they push you past the 60 day point from when the order was charged so that you now can't chargeback the transaction.

I made the payments on 21 June 2010 & 3rd Feb 2011. By the time he even started to threaten me it was too late for a chargeback and I didn't seriously consider going renegade until after the threats (April 19th 2011). It would have been difficult I paid the guy in cash!

But thanks for your advice it's very good. The only thing left to do is take this to court, I'm taking it to a small claims court (if I can even get the bastard served) after that the only thing left to do is blog and warn others. I'm not going to spend any more than that. I doubt it will stand up in court but it's worth a shot.

Thank you for your post though, where did you find this?

The BBC called me today they will be running a 3-5 min segment on this on BBC London evening news. A little preamble about PUA as most people don't know about it. Then they will run my story as a warning.

Some people out there are so desperate that even the negative reports of PUA still generates it business.

[PUA]

Originally Posted by Simplyfly

The BBC called me today they will be running a 3-5 min segment on this on BBC London evening news. A little preamble about PUA as most people don't know about it. Then they will run my story as a warning.

Great news for Venusian Aspergers and scammer boy Shaun Michael Adams!

[Perseus]

Originally Posted by Simplyfly

The BBC called me today they will be running a 3-5 min segment on this on BBC London evening news. A little preamble about PUA as most people don't know about it. Then they will run my story as a warning.

Some people out there are so desperate that even the negative reports of PUA still generates it business.

Well, if the BBC report also helps shut down PUA Training, it's all for the betterment of humanity. I'm moving to London tomorrow -- if I see Gambler begging the streets, I'll be sure to post a picture of that here.

[Alpha]

So nothing happened?

[Bullshit]

[Simplyfly]

Originally Posted by Alpha

So nothing happened?

Nope nothing has happened I'm contemplating publishing the creditors report. I'm trying to find an address for SMA but no luck.

[Tryhards]

Demand a chargeback for non-performance from your bank and/or take him to small claims court. He only needs to be served at his last known address. If he hasn't notified the authorities of a new address, it's his responsibility. Additionally, he can be served at his place of work. Just find out the next bootcamp he's teaching. ADDITIONALLY, many jurisdictions are allowing online notification of court proceeding against them. There is no excuse why you can't serve him.

You would likely get a default judgment in your favor from small claims as Shaun Michael Adams, AKA the PUA "Discovery" from the Venusian Arts, or any company representative, will be too much of a pussy to show up for the hearing.

No offense but, at this point, you are allowing this to happen. Stop talking/threatening and start acting. It's starting to become your fault.

[Simplyfly]

Originally Posted by Tryhards

Demand a chargeback for non-performance from your bank and/or take him to small claims court. He only needs to be served at his last known address. If he hasn't notified the authorities of a new address, it's his responsibility. Additionally, he can be served at his place of work. Just find out the next bootcamp he's teaching. ADDITIONALLY, many jurisdictions are allowing online notification of court proceeding against them. There is no excuse why you can't serve him.

You would likely get a default judgment in your favor from small claims as Shaun Michael Adams, AKA the PUA "Discovery" from the Venusian Arts, or any company representative, will be too much of a pussy to show up for the hearing.

No offense but, at this point, you are allowing this to happen. Stop talking/threatening and start acting. It's starting to become your fault.

Hello Boss

Two things first of all I have already launched a small claim against him, at his last known address. I have just a few minutes ago requsted judgment against him at a different address I got from a doc on companies house. I issued the claim in early August. I also put his DOB on the forms as I didn't have it before this bankruptcy came to light.

I don't know how long you can only claim a chargeback I paid for this at the start of July 2010. If you can present me with evidence that you can claim a chargeback after 15 months I will go ahead and call the bank otherwise I am wasting their time. It's been 15 months since I made the payment. I have read conflicting reports so I think I will call my bank I made the payments with a HSBC Visa debit card. if anyone wants to google it for me and let me know I would be grateful.

No offense taken, and it is my fault.

[Tryhards]

Originally Posted by Simplyfly

I don't know how long you can only claim a chargeback I paid for this at the start of July 2010. If you can present me with evidence that you can claim a chargeback after 15 months I will go ahead and call the bank otherwise I am wasting their time. It's been 15 months since I made the payment. I have read conflicting reports so I think I will call my bank I made the payments with a HSBC Visa debit card. if anyone wants to google it for me and let me know I would be grateful.

Evidence: Non-performance of services.

Evidence: Court documents stating that you won your small claims suit. Present it to your bank, along with all of the emails, etc. and you should have no problem.

At least you've filed suit....

It doesn't matter when you gave the money, it matters when the "non-performance" occurred. Since the program is a (presumably) lengthy training program, you can claim pretty much any date (read: a much later date than the payment) after the payment as the date of non-performance. The most reasonable date with the most likelihood of success would be when you emailed him asking for the refund. If I'm not mistaken, that was this past April, and you have plenty of email evidence that you've made a good-faith attempt to recover the money on your own (a.k.a. without the courts). Your bank is probably not going to care how long you've waited if you present them with the email evidence that you tried to get the money back yourself before going to them and asking them to. If they do, then you picked a lousy bank.

However, you win this small claims suit easily. Take the small claims award and all of the emails to your bank. If they don't give you a chargeback after that, then (again) you picked a lousy bank.

Once they give you a chargeback, you will probably have to do something like file paperwork with the courts saying that your debt is paid in full, but the bank will now be his creditor...

You'll do a lot better making the bank his creditor (they will go to him to get the money they charged back to you) as opposed to leaving yourself as the creditor. The bank can really fuck with him, and they have teams of people that can track him down. It's not like Shawn Michael Adams, a.k.a. the PUA "Discovery" from the Venusian Arts won't use a debit card ever again or something...he can't get off the grid completely. Once he uses the grid, the bank will be all over him. Sometimes private industry does more justice than the courts.

The only problem may be that the bank will be reluctant to perform the chargeback once there's already a judgment. From the sound of it, they will probably assume that he won't pay and that they'll have to take him to court, so the fact that there's already a judgment may convince them to just "let you and courts handle it" thus preserving their bottom line. HOWEVER...

Call your bank and ask them what evidence they need to perform the chargeback. Just explain the situation. If the emails themselves aren't enough (they should be, though), say your willing to get a judgment against him if that's what they need. See what they say. I can't believe the fact that it sounds like you haven't even tried this route.

[NOTMKULTRA]

LOL. Reading back this subject, it's pretty funny how it all came back to hit him so hard in the nuts.

[HappyLittleBoy]

Originally Posted by NOTMKULTRA

LOL. Reading back this subject, it's pretty funny how it all came back to hit him so hard in the nuts.

Yeah, I still laugh when I think of how close he got away with defrauding his creditors out of over a £130,000 pounds. All he had to do was shut the fuck up and treat customers properly. He only has himself to blame.

He should have listened to RJs excellent advice

[Simplyfly]

If anyone stumbles across this I created another sub link to show all the legal threats I received from these Con Men, rather than clog up this thread:

Click on this link or image below.

http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=21296

[hate]

Read through the whole thread, though on you simplyfly, I do sympatahize with you and hope discovery suffers greatly.

Most PU-gurus are fraudsters and this whole ordeal is a prime example, however you're an investment banker so you're in fact, unknowingly or not, participating in and gaining from the biggest fraud in the entire history of man - the fractional reserve banking system.

Oh the irony of faith.

There's a reason they call them banksters.

Also good look with getting any justice from the state's so called justice system, there's very little justice coming out of it and to get any is both expensive and frustrating, from reading your posts I'm sure you're aware of that.

This poor performance is entirely what one would expect from a centrally planned coercive monopoly, comparable with the many failures in the heaven of state monopoly-land: soviet russia.

Everybody knows competition is essential for producing good services and keeping business players decent, the justice industry is not exempt from this golden rule.

Also don't fool yourself into thinking you're not threatening him with violence just because you're using "legal threats" or the legal system. These are ultimately backed up by violence as well.

Not to say that violence is never justified, it is in self-defense and if what you've been saying here is the truth you are in your full right of using violence for restitution.

[hate]

to clarify with "the state's" I dont mean the states of america or anything like that, no of course I'm referring to the state as in the government.

Also when using the legal system you are in fact indirectly extorting discovery, again not anything wrong with that in this case.

[Tryhards]

Originally Posted by hate

Read through the whole thread, though on you simplyfly, I do sympatahize with you and hope discovery suffers greatly.

Most PU-gurus are fraudsters and this whole ordeal is a prime example, however you're an investment banker so you're in fact, unknowingly or not, participating in and gaining from the biggest fraud in the entire history of man - the fractional reserve banking system.

Oh the irony of faith.

There's a reason they call them banksters.

Also good look with getting any justice from the state's so called justice system, there's very little justice coming out of it and to get any is both expensive and frustrating, from reading your posts I'm sure you're aware of that.

This poor performance is entirely what one would expect from a centrally planned coercive monopoly, comparable with the many failures in the heaven of state monopoly-land: soviet russia.

Everybody knows competition is essential for producing good services and keeping business players decent, the justice industry is not exempt from this golden rule.

Also don't fool yourself into thinking you're not threatening him with violence just because you're using "legal threats" or the legal system. These are ultimately backed up by violence as well.

Not to say that violence is never justified, it is in self-defense and if what you've been saying here is the truth you are in your full right of using violence for restitution.

[hate]

Originally Posted by Tryhards

People conspire every day against each others, I'm sure you're aware of that in the seduction community. This is just a micro-cosmos compared to the really big scams of our world.

You didn't even say what specifically in my post is "conspiracy theory"

I'm going to go ahead to guess it was about the FRB-part, however if you had any basic understanding of the current monetary system you would know it's a completely uncontroversial statement.

A really simple pedagogic video for a simpleton like you is is money as debt,

You Tube

.

I semi-forgive you for your insulting picture of you watch it.

[HappyLittleBoy]

hate,

Your posts are interesting. Why not create a dedicated thread devoted to conspiracies in the community in the main section. I'll definitely read it, and maybe one or two other people might too.

[twothreeoh]

hate,

I think you're going to have to dumb down your posts about 100 notches if you want your target audience to understand what you're saying.

Not many of the brain trust members are familiar with Weberian, or any, theories of the state.

Pictures of titties might help.

[twothreeoh]

Oh dear, I misspoke.

I meant to say pictures of bruised titties. It is misogyny month after all.

And by target audience, I meant HappyLittleBoy.

[Simplyfly]

Hate,

Thank you for your comments. By and large I agree with you. How ever I must correct my former statement I'm now unemployed (I was not when I wrote the post) as of Friday the 16th December. I was a member of support staff for an investment bank. I'm looking for a new job I have had two interviews with other prominent investment banks, lots of shortlistings but so far no new job offers. Wish me luck. I lost my temporary position as the bank I was in was making compulsory redundancies, no fault of my own.

Thank you again for your entertaining read. If the banking system is so terrible please start a new thread in the off topic section on how you think the system can be improved and I will be glad to throw in my two cents.

I hope you enjoyed reading my posts as much as I enjoyed reading yours. I am trying to work through the small claims system and get my money back from this con man. I will let you know what the outcome.

Don't believe everything you hear from the occupy movement or read in the papers granted it is quite substantive.

[PUA 9000]

Scammer Discovery

stupid fuck cunt I kick your face in

and slap your faggot face as I grab you by your stupid peacock necklace

while 2 guys go in your pocket to get my money back

theif cunt

[Tricia Passam]

Originally Posted by Snitch

Hello everyone

I am a former bootcamp student I paid for a full London bootcamp a year ago and I’m disgusted by what I’ve read. I met Discovery’s girlfriend and I think it’s a good idea you all know of his girlfriend. Her name is Patricia Passam AKA Tricia Passam she’s a model / hair and make up artist from Newcastle. She was in FHM high street Honey’s a former page 3 girl Pics of her:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=TRI...w=1680&bih=808

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJtraGTha2E

Article mentioning her boyfriend “Shaun” a professional photographer no doubt! – Although not her boyfriend, or maybe a previous one.
http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/nort...9310-20589314/

facebook:
http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Tri...00001059522169

You can clearly see she is in a relationship with “Shaun LeMe” aka Discovery aka Shaun Michael Adams. This link says Shaun Adams.

http://www.facebook.com/shaunadams001?ref=ffl

her e-mail address is: tricia@hairenvy.co.uk

I wonder if she knows she is going out with a man who is insolvent?!

Hey it's an article about me \o/

[Tryhards]

Originally Posted by hate

People conspire every day against each others, I'm sure you're aware of that in the seduction community. This is just a micro-cosmos compared to the really big scams of our world.

You didn't even say what specifically in my post is "conspiracy theory"

I'm going to go ahead to guess it was about the FRB-part, however if you had any basic understanding of the current monetary system you would know it's a completely uncontroversial statement.

A really simple pedagogic video for a simpleton like you is is money as debt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc3sKwwAaCU.

I semi-forgive you for your insulting picture of you watch it.

Thank you Alex Tribek.

[nipplewarrior]

If I want to kill someone, I wont threaten them. Because then, they'll run away! (Read The Art Of War. It's a great book!)

Same thing happens in business.

If he was going to sue you, he'd just sue you. But he's threatening you because he has no intention of following through.

What will most likely happen is that he'll sell his debts to a collections agency for 30 cents on the dollar. The collections agency will call you and act really tough and intimidating. But if you stand your ground and push them, they'll give up and not take you to court. (Just remember that your phone calls are recorded, so don't discuss any details of the case.)

Go to the police and get a "peace bond" (Europe) or restraining order (USA) against Venutian Arts. (I'm sure it won't be their first restraining order.) That way, they can't contact you. Same thing also works for collections agencies.

If he takes you to small claims court, keep filing extensions and motions. Every time you make a change request, the court date gets delayed like 2 months. You can string these guys on for years like this. (This is what corporate lawyers do)

[nipplewarrior]

If you want to take them to court and get your money back, you probably have a case.

Venutian Arts makes their living promoting illegal activities. And they don't have a right to sell you a seminar where they teach you to commit crimes that could land you in jail. (Hate crimes against women are a VERY big deal in Europe)

PUA Gurus teach that a woman has to say "no" in order for sexual assault to take place. This is absolutely wrong and stupid. It's like saying punching someone in the face is only assault if they say "please don't punch me".

The simple fact is that ANY UNWANTED SEXUAL TOUCHING is sexual assault. (see "non-stranger sexual assault" in US law) The hoe does not actually have to say no.

The fact that Venutian Arts accepts money to run bootcamps where they teach you to "escalate Kino" on strangers who are "shit testing" you, makes them rape advocates.

You have absolutely every right to get your money back. Every penny. You can't counsel someone to commit crimes, and then profit from it.

[Simplyfly]

Originally Posted by nipplewarrior

If you want to take them to court and get your money back, you probably have a case.

Venutian Arts makes their living promoting illegal activities. And they don't have a right to sell you a seminar where they teach you to commit crimes that could land you in jail. (Hate crimes against women are a VERY big deal in Europe)

I have taken Shaun Michael Adams aka Discovery to a small claims court for conning me out of £7,736. Read: http://www.puahate.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=267 for more info. But he is trying the strategy you mentioned above by avoiding it and refusing to give his address to the courts. I have attempted to contact him many times.

I will be applying for a warrant as it has been 3 months since documents were sent to one of his other addresses.

[rapper1982]

Oh my god! Your such a fucking TURD Simple-Fly. Yeah that's right, Simple- Fly not Simplyfly. Your life must be so fucking boring you have to come here everyday talking shit about people to make yourself feel better, and might i add The same old shit!

Why dont you go suck a blokes cock since you are a fucking delinquent with women!!

You Strange Fucker.

[nipplewarrior]

Originally Posted by rapper1982

Oh my god! Your such a fucking TURD Simple-Fly. Yeah that's right, Simple- Fly not Simplyfly. Your life must be so fucking boring you have to come here everyday talking shit about people to make yourself feel better, and might i add The same old shit!

Why dont you go suck a blokes cock since you are a fucking delinquent with women!!

You Strange Fucker.

Can we geolocate the source of this user's IP? I have a hunch he's not using a proxy.

[Simplyfly]

Originally Posted by nipplewarrior

Can we geolocate the source of this user's IP? I have a hunch he's not using a proxy.

It's someone affiliated with VA.