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03-27-2012, 10:51 PM
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Hello,

I just signed up for one of the PUATraining bootcamps to be held in USA, this one is run by Adam Lyons. The total cost is $1300USD and I was required to make a $300USD deposit and so I did.

I wish I had found this site earlier but oh well, if I do decide to not go with the bootcamp, I will have only lost $300USD, not the standard $2000USD that other places charge.

When I was on the phone talking to the guy who took my credit card number, he said that there is a full money back guarantee, so I do hope they adhere to that. But there is no written record of this, it was all one the phone.

The bootcamp is still a few months away and if anyone can answer any or all of my questions, that would be great.

Should I even do the bootcamp? I'm already $300USD invested and it'll cost me $1000USD more
Should I request that they send me a written copy of this money back guarantee?
If I do decide to do the bootcamp, what can/should be justified reasons for asking for a refund?
What can I do to get the most value out of the bootcamp?
Can I somehow request my $300USD back?
Is there anything else I should be thinking about?

Thanks,
Nikolai







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03-27-2012, 11:01 PM
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Don't throw good money after bad.

Request your deposit back. Do it in writing and threaten legal action. Most of these pickup companies, even the bigger ones, are fly by night operations running out of someone's basement/garage. They don't have the ability to stand up to much legal pressure (on the other hand, a small operation may decide it can't do without your deposit money). At a minimum, don't throw away another $1000 dollars just because you already gave $300. The workshop won't be worth it, and if you're questioning your decision now, you'll definitely be questioning it afterwards.

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03-27-2012, 11:20 PM
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call credit card company first and explained that you were unhappy with their terms and that you havent received the item services you paid for and dispute it! ASAP

then send email to richard gambler or his partner adam liars
and ask for a refund no questions ask policy.

explain to him that you read alot of negative reviews and that since you havent taken the course that you are entitled to receive a refund no questions asked.

start the process Immediately and if you have to try to find your stolen/lost credit card you used to pay for it and make sure you order a replacement.

who knows maybe adam himself or goons like his instructors like psych or luke or that weird asian guy luggage guy /instructor
who sets up his bootcamps and his slave interns who work for free stole it from you.

regardless ask for refund and report your lost stolen credit card to avoid any further fraud from these PUA companies.


if you paid cash then you are shit out of luck,

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03-27-2012, 11:33 PM
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Should I even do the bootcamp?
No.

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Should I request that they send me a written copy of this money back guarantee?
No. You should look at their fucking website, where it is clearly posted:

http://www.puatraining.com/terms

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If I do decide to do the bootcamp, what can/should be justified reasons for asking for a refund?
http://www.puatraining.com/terms

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What can I do to get the most value out of the bootcamp?
Nothing. You will get zero value regardless.

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Can I somehow request my $300USD back?
http://www.puatraining.com/terms

http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=21624

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Is there anything else I should be thinking about?
Yes - not being so naive about the world.

Do research next time. All of this information was available.

Once you read through all the above links, then come back and ask questions.

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03-27-2012, 11:37 PM
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hahaha ask for refund at least you didnt pay this LOSER
all he appraoches are fatties.lol.

he is super weird



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03-27-2012, 11:46 PM
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hahaha you just got scammed

good luck getting your refund

they're gonna put you through so many hoops and intimidate the fuck out of you that you're gonna run away like a little shy boy before you get any refund.

a fool is born every minute

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03-28-2012, 05:48 AM
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I haven't heard about too many bad reviews on Adam Lyons as I did with Venusian Scam Arts or Lame Systems so I wouldn't panic. You'll probably learn something and have enough instructors during the bootcamp, but whether you get your money's worth is up to you. But if you want a refund, call them up and say you reconsidered. Or you can email them and get it in writing if they reply.

Just keep us posted and don't be like the other guy who was shitting bricks when he signed up for a Love Systems bootcamp and got his refund easily then acted tough and got pwned by Tryhards.







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03-28-2012, 06:29 AM
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Thanks for the reply and the link to the previous post to mine. I called my credit card company and they said that they do see a transaction for $300USD and that is still pending but they said they cannot do anything about it right now.
First it has to pass through and then I can either contact the merchant (PUATraining) and if they are not going to refund me, then there's departments in the credit card company that could help me (but he didn't give too much info on what they are)

I'll keep everyone posted.

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No.



No. You should look at their fucking website, where it is clearly posted:

http://www.puatraining.com/terms



http://www.puatraining.com/terms



Nothing. You will get zero value regardless.



http://www.puatraining.com/terms

http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=21624



Yes - not being so naive about the world.

Do research next time. All of this information was available.

Once you read through all the above links, then come back and ask questions.


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03-28-2012, 07:23 AM
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Thanks for the reply and the link to the previous post to mine. I called my credit card company and they said that they do see a transaction for $300USD and that is still pending but they said they cannot do anything about it right now.
First it has to pass through and then I can either contact the merchant (PUATraining) and if they are not going to refund me, then there's departments in the credit card company that could help me (but he didn't give too much info on what they are)

I'll keep everyone posted.
Try the nice way first. If he gives you shit, then go after his balls.

A lot of his terms wouldn't stand a chance in US courts (payment and services were rendered in the US...none of that "England/Wales" BS, even though the terms wouldn't fly there either), so you can get his visa revoked if you know the system.

Also, start documenting everything now to be safe. Don't end up like Simplyfly.

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03-28-2012, 07:53 AM
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What gets me is that I am more anti-PUA than anyone on here. You guys are still trying to manipulate the girl into having sex with you. That's mode 2. 990f PUA is mode two. I am MODE ONE.







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03-28-2012, 10:14 AM
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FOR HALF THAT PRICE YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE SEX YOU WANT WITH FARM ANIMALS

JUSTA SAYIN



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03-28-2012, 01:46 PM
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Tryhards,

You said that the bootcamp will have absolutely zero value. However, I am pretty bad to begin with so I suppose it could have some value. Has anybody had experience with getting full refunds in case it's not worth it?

You could also say that I might learn a thing or two, it's just that it's not worth $1300. If that is the case, what is the alternative to learning to get better with girls?

I'm still debating this decision in my head.

This is part of an online document I got that I have to "sign" (by clicking "I agree") (the only thing it does not include is my personal information)

Here at PUA Training we are committed to helping men to achieve the
success they deserve with women. In order for us to help you, we need to
make sure you're aware of the details and what's going to be happening
next.
When you're finished reading, scroll to the bottom and click the yellow
box to agree.
Order: US Bootcamp Order
Sale Date: Tue - 27 Mar 2012
Product: US Bootcamp
Event date: Fri - 27 Jul 2012
List Price: USD1300.00
Sale Price: USD1300.00
Amount Paid: USD 300.00
Balance Due: USD1000.00
This written agreement represents my commitment to enroll in PUA
Training's weekend bootcamp program.
I understand that the material shared with me on the program is the
intellectual property of PUA Training and is therefore confidential and
may not be shared with others outside of the bootcamp.
I understand that by registering for this program, that I am committed to
my own personal growth and agree to apply all I learn in my own life and
therefore be an even better and more successful person.
I understand that PUA Training is not responsible for any legal or
immigration requirements necessary to attend training, this includes but
is not limited to, visas, travel authorisation, accommodation apart from
that provided on the Platinum residential training week.
I understand that while PUA Training will do all they can to prepare, I
am solely responsible for ensuring that I meet the entry requirements for
the venues we select for night game training. These can include but are
not limited to age related ID, suitable clothing, footwear, intoxication
or behaviour.
I understand that PUA Training has a zero tolerance policy to abusive,
threatening or disrespectful behaviour. Unacceptable behaviour will lead
to exclusion and possible further action.
I understand that if I miss training due to lateness, exclusion from the
venue, unacceptable behaviour, immigration requirements, travel problems,
no refund or compensation will be made for time missed.
I understand that payment must be made in full before attending and a
refund is available only in the event that I have attended but was not
satisfied with the course.
In Process
I understand that I must be on time to all sessions and participate in
the classroom and infield portions of the training program in order to
qualify for a refund, and needs to be requested at the bootcamp from the
bootcamp manager to give him a chance to rectify the situation.
PUA Training understands that my circumstances may change, and if in the
event that I am unable to attend the event on the agreed upon date, I
can rebook and be transferred to a future PUA Training program.
I understand that payment in full is due two weeks before the event
begins. If I still have a remaining balance, the card I have used to pay
the deposit will be charged the remaining amount.
I understand that if I have set up a payment plan, I am responsible to
make sure that funds are available on the agreed upon billing dates. If
transactions are declined due to insufficient funds, I will be charged a
5% service fee on the payment.
I understand I am being charged in US dollars and if my account is not a
US dollar account, or is not held is the USA, the actual charge on my
card may change each month depending on the exchange rate from US Dollars
into my own currency at the time of the banks processing. I understand
PUA Training charges in US dollars and has no control over the
international exchange rates, or any processing fees your bank may
change.
I understand I will be responsible for any legal or collection fees which
might arise and any expenses which may be incurred by PUA Training in
efforts to obtain full payment if I fail to meet the conditions of this
Agreement.
I have read this agreement and accept all terms and am looking forward to
becoming a PUA Training success story.
Signed by
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03-28-2012, 02:46 PM
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Adam Lyons only fucked 30 women in his life, including his girlfriend.
He mostly got laid because of his connections and job-position.
I'm not sure how he created this "hype" about himself out of thin air. That's a mystery for me.

Hope you'll get your money back.







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03-28-2012, 06:17 PM
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JUST DIRECTLY CONTACT THEM THEY ARE A BUSINESS AND NOT FULL SCAMMERS LIKE SOME COMPANIES. DON'T POST AGAIN UNTIL YOU EITHER CALL THEM OR EMAIL AND GET A RESPONSE.

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03-29-2012, 11:53 AM
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Hey,

I have had some second thoughts and I was wondering if I can cancel my
bootcamp registration and if I could have my $300USD back.
The bootcamp is still 4 months away so I am sure that you will have zero
problems filling up the program.

Thanks,

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03-29-2012, 11:54 AM
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Hey,

What's going on man?
hope you've been well since we last spoke?

And what do you mean your having 2nd thoughts?
Your giving up on your goals that quickly?

Come on mate, its been 2 days and your already questioning things?

We spoke for a good hour or so and went over everything. you see how training with us and with Adam will help get this area of your life under control and have you start getting with the women of your choice.... so i don't understand how you can just turn your back on your life like that.

And as your course advisor its my job to not let you do that.
I'm not letting you walk away from your dream Bilguun.

You may have given up hope, but I havn't.

You came to us, you heard what we have to offer, you saw how it will help and you made the choice to join us.

I gave you multiple times to cancel, and told you that once we put it through its nonrefundable and you agreed to it. So unfortunately the initial investment is nonrefundable, but it is flexible, so if Toronto doesn't work out or you don't want to wait that long, we can always move your reservation to another city/date of your choice.

If you want to talk about this, please call me at zzz-yyy-xxxx.

And we do offer the full 100% money back guarantee, so after the bootcamp if you feel it was a waste of your time and didnt help you at all, then you'll get your money back; but you can't just cancel before because you are getting coldfeet....remember when we spoke about confidence and fear? you want this program, you told me you did... stick to your decisions, be a confident guy who follows through on his promises and decisions, and we'll see you soon.

If you need anything else at all, please let me know;
if not we'll see you in a few months.

Cheers mate,







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03-29-2012, 11:55 AM
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Hey,

It's not that I'm giving up on my dreams, it's just that after a bit of researching and talking to an actual former pickup coach, he has his own company but he has told me he's came on and lectured on numerous workshops for Adam Lyons, and this is what he had to say:

1) There will be about 20-30 students
2) Most of the instructors/approach coaches/assistant instructors are just recent bootcamp alumni
3) Out of all the coaches, only 2-3 are actually worth being instructed by

I will not reveal the identity of this pickup coach, but rest assured, his skills are pretty good and he no longer teaches, so he is not doing this in order to gain my business.

I am sure you'll probably dispute points 2 and 3 saying that all the coaches are top notch, have years of experience teaching etc., but you're a biased source and I'm getting my input from an impartial third party.

Also, since there is a full money back guarantee, why not just refund me my $300 now and open up a spot for someone who actually wants to do this?

Thanks,

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03-29-2012, 12:19 PM
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If he still doesn't give me my refund, I'll threaten legal action.

If anyone has had experience with this, and you know how to word the legal action threat, please share.

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03-29-2012, 01:04 PM
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Hey,

Thanks for getting back to me mate.

I'm not gonna dispute anything nor am I gonna ask for his name.

We constantly change the way we do things and adapt to newer processes that work better than old.

Who knows when he went, or where he went;
but really the only opinion or experience that matters is your own.

So why not experience it for yourself and see what its about,
instead of just second guessing everything that comes your way?

How do you know the instructor you get isn't gonna be the best thing in the world for you?

you don't.

And the money back guarantee is there for after the bootcamp if you feel it was a waste of your time, then we will happily refund your money because we tried to help you and we couldn't.

But bailing before hand after knowing the payment is nonrefundable and then asking for a refund anyway is against company policy.

It's still 4 months away, give it a shot, make it happen.

What is the worst that can happen? you go on the bootcamp, train with Adam Lyons, it wasnt what you we're looking for, and you get your money back.

But at least you did something about it.

And you still had an opportunity to train with one of the best PUA Trainers out there.

There is so much upside with such little downside, you just gotta give it a shot.

-(his name)

And 20-30 students?......we've never had more than 21 and those are usually for NYC/LA. Tornto bootcamps are around 12; with heavy one on one time with Adam.


*************************************************

I'm not sure how to reply, the money back guarantee seems legit.







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03-29-2012, 01:09 PM
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From his emails, it seems like he actually truly believes that it will help me. I'm not sure what to do now.

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03-30-2012, 05:01 PM
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His Name,

I was trying to be nice but you do not want to refund me, so here it is:

1) No more long winded emails promoting the bootcamp/workshop, just simply not interested after all the feedback I have gotten thus far and no amount of promotion will get me to change my mind.

2) The terms regarding non refundable deposit and a bunch of other ones you have posted on the puatraining website would not stand a chance in US and Canadian courts. If this were to make it to a small claims court, the judge will almost always side with the law over a "policy of a company" or a "terms of a purchase" or whatever you want to call it.

3) Services have not been rendered yet and therefore I am fully entitled to my refund, so please, give me my refund as soon as possible.

Thank you,
My Name

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03-30-2012, 05:03 PM
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Nikolai,

Look... the policy is the policy. We can't break that.
You heard it and agreed to it.

I am not trying to keep your money as much as I am trying to help you.

So here is what I propose. Because I can't refund your money, I can remove your name from the list and bootc and send you the following programs so you have something to train and work with.

The programs we can send to you are:
-Ultimate Natural Game - physical or digital copy.
-Lifestyle Mastery Collection - physical copy
-Inner Game Installed
-And a copy of Day Game Domination when it becomes available.

That is over 600 dollars worth of product that will be yours for less than half the amount.

Just let me know thats cool, and I'll have everything sent your way.

Hope this helps,







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03-30-2012, 05:03 PM
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His name,

I do not want those products, I want my money back. Let's see if you or Adam or Richard try to explain your policy or terms of agreement in front of an actual judge in a small claims court.

That's all I will say.

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03-30-2012, 05:04 PM
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His name,

On top of that, what is the problem with giving me my refund now? If I do take the bootcamp, and I won't be satisfied with it, you'd have to refund me anyways.

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03-30-2012, 05:05 PM
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Nikolai,

Ok....so I went and spoke with Rich, and after reviewing your paperwork it seems we didn't get your signature... so we technically don't have a contract... so it looks like I can refund you. You should expect that back on your card in the next 2 weeks.

Best of luck to you,







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03-30-2012, 05:06 PM
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So what happens is that after you give them your credit card # over the phone, they'll send you a document which you read and then you click, i understand bla bla bla, and that technically is your signature.
But the good thing is, that document came into my inbox after I found this forum and did more research as i should have prior to signing up.

2 more weeks and i'll be refunded subtract any exchange rate fluctuations.

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03-30-2012, 05:28 PM
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So what happens is that after you give them your credit card # over the phone, they'll send you a document which you read and then you click, i understand bla bla bla, and that technically is your signature.
But the good thing is, that document came into my inbox after I found this forum and did more research as i should have prior to signing up.

2 more weeks and i'll be refunded subtract any exchange rate fluctuations.
call card company aka bank to give you new card.
I think you did a good choice,when you get it go and get a thressome with some sluts and forget about this PUA fantasy fraud they were trying to drain your money from you.

Haha they wont know I was the instructor for adam. lolololol
good job!

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03-30-2012, 05:53 PM
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Quote:
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So what happens is that after you give them your credit card # over the phone, they'll send you a document which you read and then you click, i understand bla bla bla, and that technically is your signature.
But the good thing is, that document came into my inbox after I found this forum and did more research as i should have prior to signing up.

2 more weeks and i'll be refunded subtract any exchange rate fluctuations.
The BS they put you through just for a refund doesn't surprise me. You probably deserve it for being an idiot, but at least you were smart enough to realize they're not worth it. Being bad with women isn't your problem - it's just a symptom of some other problems. See a doc and see what he says.

The FTC are proposing to update the cooling off rule to make it fully applicable to internet selling, so the little dance they put you through will probably be illegal soon. Europe is already way ahead on that one.

If I were you I'd write up an FTC complaint anyway and include your email transcripts. You can send it through here.

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

They won't do anything to resolve it, but they'll keep it on file. If they get further complaints they might investigate, especially if the law is updated. That investigation might be as simple as checking to make sure the company has the correct working visas and if not....bye bye.

Contact your credit card company immediately and tell them you're being refunded by the merchant, and to make sure that whatever updates on your account are needed to reflect that are taken care of. Just a precaution, but you never know...

Make sure to let us know in 2 weeks time if the refund went through.







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03-30-2012, 06:08 PM
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I swear,

prior to finding this site, I thought pua was like the facking holy grail or everything, because that's what the community's marketing makes you believe.
"oh if only you get this thing with women fixed, you'll feel more like a man, it'll transfer over to other areas, business, leadership etc"

Now I see, what a load of bullshit.

I actually took a break from PUA for about year and a half, and had actual real friends, not PUA douches, and met some girls that way, i was actually a lot happier then.

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03-30-2012, 06:15 PM
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Thanks for the reply, but i can't file the complaint since I'm in Canada and the workshop was supposed to be in Toronto, Canada.

I'll keep you posted in 2 weeks.

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The BS they put you through just for a refund doesn't surprise me. You probably deserve it for being an idiot, but at least you were smart enough to realize they're not worth it. Being bad with women isn't your problem - it's just a symptom of some other problems. See a doc and see what he says.

The FTC are proposing to update the cooling off rule to make it fully applicable to internet selling, so the little dance they put you through will probably be illegal soon. Europe is already way ahead on that one.

If I were you I'd write up an FTC complaint anyway and include your email transcripts. You can send it through here.

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

They won't do anything to resolve it, but they'll keep it on file. If they get further complaints they might investigate, especially if the law is updated. That investigation might be as simple as checking to make sure the company has the correct working visas and if not....bye bye.

Contact your credit card company immediately and tell them you're being refunded by the merchant, and to make sure that whatever updates on your account are needed to reflect that are taken care of. Just a precaution, but you never know...

Make sure to let us know in 2 weeks time if the refund went through.


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