Adam Lyons. Should I spill the beans? He said that Game doesn't work-its all about

[Cassx]

Working 9am-12pm!

A right little shit I'd say.

I bet you want to headbut this little fuck.

Sorry to say but your fault too.

Where is Adam from? North London somewhere?

He looks like a skinny little shit, a cheap rip off of Derren Brown.

Middle class little gimp know it all. I've never met him, never really thought about him before.

[Cassx]

Maybe it was one of them "visa" weddings?

I hear they are common in the States, as everywhere.

[Zipfelmütze]

Originally Posted by Aries

I'm very skeptical about your review, first I know Adam is legit because I know people who have "sarged" (cringes) with him, on top of that isn't Adam married?

I know a guy who has seen Adam personally close woman day and night game (number close) and also brought out 10 girls to the club

and let's not forget Adam's little guest feature on maxim and "seducer" documentary, if he is not legit then the whole community is a fraud

but in the end what do i know

Goddamnit Aries you are such a fucking naive idiot, reading your posts always makes me angry.
I always doubted that people that dumb are able to use the internet

[RealityofSaturdayNight]

Originally Posted by Cassx

He looks like a skinny little shit, a cheap rip off of Derren Brown.

I think people are under the false pretense that Adam has "Derren Brown" (famous UK Hypnotist and NLP Master) style mind tricks because of his "getting any woman's number" clip on the Rules of Seduction Documentary.

a) he can't get every womans number as I saw him getting turned down by the first set he opened.
A HB9 Cosmopolitain Model outside their Modelling Agency just off Oxford Street in London.
The first thing I said was "did you number close" to which he replied "no". When I talked about his reputation for "getting any number" he said that was false before going into a 10 minute conversation why PUA is fake "5 for 5" etc.

b) the technique he used when number closing did work- was on Youtube but got taken down (luckily I downloaded it using You tube convertor and have a backup ).
He de-bunks Number Closing a bit like a magician who de-bunks a Magic or Mind Trick.
A lot of the Psychology behind it you can read in the book "Influence" by Robert Cialdini (which I'm sure Adam read because its required reading these days for all Marketers, Public Relations People, Sales People).

In fact ALL "PUA" techniques are actually hiked from Influence (a book that you can get for £5 or $10 on Amazon).

But as someone on this board pointed out though- the danger is people don't like being "influenced" or manipulated into doing something- that should be a Natural occurence.
Often a lot of girls pick up on a guy using tactics- hence why it is only afterwards that she realises something was up.

In latter chapters of Robet Cialdini's book he mentions the after effects of using influence on people- which probably explains why most girls flake on PUAs.

[iampuahate81]

Originally Posted by onenatural

Hi Adam, glad you found this forum.

Now fuck off and die you fucking scammer.

The reason why nutz post here because i link some of these thread back to my old lair forum in maryland.

Trust me, nutz is a real person lol. In fact, for those of us who hangsout with him, there's a running joke that he cannot get laid even if his life depends on it. However, after adam's bootcamp, he ends up getting laid a few times.

THe quality of girls he bang on the other hand, i really dont know.

[Dimitri]

hideous.

Originally Posted by iampuahate81

THe quality of girls he bang on the other hand, i really dont know.

[Nicholaus]

Originally Posted by Aries

I'm very skeptical about your review, first I know Adam is legit because I know people who have "sarged" (cringes) with him, on top of that isn't Adam married?

I know a guy who has seen Adam personally close woman day and night game (number close) and also brought out 10 girls to the club

and let's not forget Adam's little guest feature on maxim and "seducer" documentary, if he is not legit then the whole community is a fraud

but in the end what do i know

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[iampuahate81]

I wont say the "whole community" is a fraud.

Community has done two things that help me overall as a person.

First of all, it motivated me to go out and hit on girls, make new freinds. In terms of pure motivation, the fictional book the game is probably the highest value book in the community. Even if it's fictional, who cares, it gets the job done. Not to mention i didnt pay for it lol.

Before the community, i was the ultimate nerd and never get out of the house.

The second is i learn the concept of "frame". After learning about frame, i'm much better at reading people and understanding their overall motivation for doing certain things. In fact, i can read people's motivation before they even recognize it subconsciously. People will try their very best to get whatever they can get from you and it's up to you to take control of your life.

For example, my boss blatantly tried to manipulate me to do things i do not want to do. I understand i need to setup the boundaries immediately or it's going to get worse from there. Without the community, i would not have such an understanding.

[Real Sociopathic Douchebags]

Originally Posted by iampuahate81

I wont say the "whole community" is a fraud.

Community has done two things that help me overall as a person.

First of all, it motivated me to go out and hit on girls, make new freinds. In terms of pure motivation, the fictional book the game is probably the highest value book in the community. Even if it's fictional, who cares, it gets the job done. Not to mention i didnt pay for it lol.

Before the community, i was the ultimate nerd and never get out of the house.

The second is i learn the concept of "frame". After learning about frame, i'm much better at reading people and understanding their overall motivation for doing certain things. In fact, i can read people's motivation before they even recognize it subconsciously. People will try their very best to get whatever they can get from you and it's up to you to take control of your life.

For example, my boss blatantly tried to manipulate me to do things i do not want to do. I understand i need to setup the boundaries immediately or it's going to get worse from there. Without the community, i would not have such an understanding.

I agree with this post. one thing Strauss's book did do that was WRONG is give me unrealistic expectations.

And he should be taken to the ovens for that fact alone.

If it weren't for people like Gunwitch (As much of a douchebag he is) saying "how many and what type of women you want to fuck is your business, your 10 is YOUR 10" etc- a lot of the time, I would've probably been a lot more depressed about this shit.

I think one of the worst things is the community makes you want to "be like the gurus" and when you fail, you're more depressed than you were before.

HOWEVER, I do agree that the MOTIVATION has changed me as well, and is continuing too- but now I can sniff the bullshit and weed it out thankfully.

[onenatural]

Originally Posted by Aries

on top of that isn't Adam married?

You act like getting married means he's good with girls?

Some of the guys I know who are the worst with women, are married.

[Dionysus]

adamn lyons sounds like a fucking faggot when he speaks

[TheOverfiend]

Originally Posted by Aries

I know a guy who has seen Adam personally close woman day and night game (number close) and also brought out 10 girls to the club

Means jack shit. Anybody can get phone numbers.

Plus dude was a promoter. Promoters are SUPPOSED to be able to get groups of bitches to the clubs.

Don't know if the dude pulls or not but getting phone numbers and getting bitches to come hang out at the club doesn't mean he's legit.

[Lefty]

LOL at number closing and bringing 10 girls to the club....jesus christ

This girl I know is friends with all the promoters around here and I walk in with a bunch of girls and get free drinks. BIG DEAL. Its not. We had a table and drinks with Iyaz on Saturday...the whole thing is smoke and mirrors

[Aries]

Originally Posted by onenatural

You act like getting married means he's good with girls?

Some of the guys I know who are the worst with women, are married.

For a supposed Charlatan that's a "huge" accomplishment

think about it

[Lefty]

Originally Posted by Aries

For a supposed Charlatan that's a "huge" accomplishment

think about it

Not really

Marriage in this day and age is fucken retarded

[Marquis de Sade]

Originally Posted by onenatural

You act like getting married means he's good with girls?

Some of the guys I know who are the worst with women, are married.

True.

Although, I do know some guys who are married that got laid pretty regularly. But they totally have the Madonna-Whore Complex bullshit about them and just ended up settling with a chick that hasn't been around much and will put up with their possessiveness. Yeah, their not all that happy now and have lots of bills and expenses.

[RealityofSaturdayNight]

Originally Posted by Nicholaus

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[SIZE="5"]Agreed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE="5"]Anyone who charges more than[/SIZE] [SIZE="6"]$0[/SIZE]

[SIZE="4"]for Dating Advice or Tips is a Fraud[/SIZE]


That's my whole point. Just because Gurus have girlfriends doesn't mean they have the right to charge for advice.

I've known hundreds of guys (since leaving PUA) who have had girlfriends far better looking than Amanda Torres and that gave better and more practical advice- without me feeding the purse habit of their Materialistic Girlfriends

[SikNasty]

Originally Posted by RealityofSaturdayNight

Hello

7) I met his girlfriend/wife Amanda Torres during the above. In three words how would I describe her?
Icy- Materialistic-Emotionless
She came across as very "stepford wives" despite me saying a friendly hello and trying to build a normal conversation (again like all Adam's girls- she wasn't very co-operative- nor responsive- nor interested in adding anything to the teachings0. I found her rude so I rightfully ignored her for the rest of training0 trying on occassion to get her to chip in her "extensive PUA knowledge as a world class female trainer".
After I handed my Money to Adam (cash in hand) I went to the toilet- as I came back she was leaving with my money (I saw Adam hand it to her). I asked where she had gone Adam said "Shopping".
Wow, you go girl! What a way to prove you are a credit to all women. You go shopping halfway during a Bootcamp! Adam said "she felt you only wanted to speak to me" WTF!
I'd been encouraging her to chip in- but she gave one worded answers and looked bored- as well as lying about her profession. When I asked what she wanted to be in High School (I knew she was planning to be a Cheerleader) she said "Writer".

Anyways after the bootcamp ended she didn't even say goodbye-and said "I'm going to spend the rest on a brand new IPOD." before fucking off the Oxford Streets Apple Store, not even saying thank you or good luck.

This is typical, in that relationship she is the prize, she gets every fancy piece of jewelry she wants and anything else she wishes.

She's got emotional control over adam and she actually has more brains than adam. All she does is bullshits when adam needs her for a stupid point he wants to make.

They're whole scam is being blown open, they're on here reading this shit and they're worried.

[TVAOslo]

Originally Posted by cyan

i lold @ the four fake positive reviews after adam's post.

The MPUA forum is owned by gambler. Does this makes sense?

[RealityofSaturdayNight]

I've re-posted this review in "bad bootcamps" for people new to the forum or googling Adam Lyons SCAM.

[PUAHateFromHell]

Originally Posted by RealityofSaturdayNight

7) I met his girlfriend/wife Amanda Torres during the above. In three words how would I describe her?
Icy- Materialistic-Emotionless
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After I handed my Money to Adam (cash in hand) I went to the toilet- as I came back she was leaving with my money (I saw Adam hand it to her). I asked where she had gone Adam said "Shopping".

She's a hooker.

[papa sandros]

Originally Posted by RealityofSaturdayNight

8) Adam's junior trainer. When I talked about what we (Adam and myself) had discussed "Networking Value" and "Entourage*" (*read- normal Social Skills) I made the observation.

"You know Neil Strauss. He had a lot of powerful connections/networking value within the music industry. In fact come to think of it people were suprised he pulled Lisa Leveridge (HB8)- when in fact she was in a shitty band and probably needed a big break. So come to think of it he didn't need Game. Also Lisa Leveridge's next boyfriend was Robbie Williams (mega UK popstar and former member of Take That) so she was continuing with the "music networking" boyfriends"
(as another point Neil Strauss' current girlfriend is a pornstar. Whats the connection? Answer- he wrote "How to Make Love like a pornstar" with Jemma Jameson. Again powerful connections in the porn industry!)

"so my question to you (Jenk). Is that we don't need Game at all do we? Its all about Social Career/networking Value"

Jenk "Yep. Neil Strauss already had the connections. He didn't know his own worth or how to apply them. Thats where Mystery came in"
(sic)

Me- "So whats your Networking Value Jenk?"
Jenk "Adam Lyons"

Says it all really doesn't it?

You are a smart man my friend.

You learned the true lesson of all of this.
Thank you for sharing your honest thoughts.

-Sandros

[colver84]

Ive met Adam Lyons in a social context. He did a few demos but I wasn't standing close enough to actually see what was going on. And he was only there for a minute or two, so it is perfectly plausible that he was just inviting the girls to a club or other promotional activities.

All I can say is that he has an incredible amount of confidence bordering on delusion. Obviously this has been developing through working in PR, promoting and other industries where you learn to put yourself out there and sell yourself. Quite possibly he does do well with women. But he obviously has an innate ability for self-promotion that gives him an unfair advantage with women.

Quite what he can teach guys who are shy, introverted and did not have the benefit of years working in PR, sales or other industries I have no idea.

So I think I would agree that the only contribution "Game" made to his success was encouraging him to approach, close and transfer his pre-existing skills to a different context.

He also is very good at being friendly. I have a natural distrust of people like that as they seem fake and disingenuous. But obviously if you are friendly to girls and do not seem to pose a sexual threat they are not going to blow you out and may well give a number. Im not sure how many he actually closes though.

As for bringing lots of females. Well he makes it clear that his game is based around social proof and points out that rather than sleep with girls if you make them your friends, it can help you get girls.

Probably there is some truth to this. But again he is using his pre-existing social skills and promotional abilities.

And there is the problem with most PUAs. Even if they are very good with women, it is for reasons which cannot be taught on a bootcamp or one on one.

[RealityofSaturdayNight]

There are so many wrong things with the below reply.

BOLD marks obvious Marketing material (altough i should highlight the entire response).

My Money is that this is Adam Lyons himself- especially the larger highlights. Thats AFC Adam's advice (lies) to creepy Nice Guys who have to act gay so women wouldn't reject them.

Originally Posted by colver84

Ive met Adam Lyons in a social context. He did a few demos but I wasn't standing close enough to actually see what was going on. And he was only there for a minute or two, so it is perfectly plausible that he was just inviting the girls to a club or other promotional activities.

All I can say is that he has an incredible amount of confidence bordering on delusion. Obviously this has been developing through working in PR, promoting and other industries where you learn to put yourself out there and sell yourself. Quite possibly he does do well with women. But he obviously has an innate ability for self-promotion that gives him an unfair advantage with women.

Quite what he can teach guys who are shy, introverted and did not have the benefit of years working in PR, sales or other industries I have no idea.

So I think I would agree that the only contribution "Game" made to his success was encouraging him to approach, close and transfer his pre-existing skills to a different context.

He also is very good at being friendly. I have a natural distrust of people like that as they seem fake and disingenuous. But obviously [SIZE="5"]if you are friendly to girls and do not seem to pose a sexual threat they are not going to blow you out and may well give a number[/SIZE]. Im not sure how many he actually closes though.

As for bringing lots of females. Well he makes it clear that his game is based around social proof and points out that [SIZE="6"]rather than sleep with girls if you make them your friends, it can help you get girls. [/SIZE]
Probably there is some truth to this. But again he is using his pre-existing social skills and promotional abilities.

And there is the problem with most PUAs. Even if they are very good with women, it is for reasons which cannot be taught on a bootcamp or one on one.

[colver84]

By social context I meant he was introduced to me by a friend. I was offered lessons but quickly surmised that what he had couldn't be taught so didn't take up his offer for one on ones. But my interest was piqued sufficiently to go to his £40 seminar.

He basically admitted that if he told us the number of women he had actually slept with that we'd all demand our money back, and gave some excuses about not being interested in one night stands.

If anything my post confirms what you were arguing. He can approach, he is friendly, he is sociable. But numbers don't mean a thing and it would not surprise me if a large number of the girls he is photographed with just see him as a friend.

I know tons of guys like him at university. They seem to know everyone, talk to everyone, have lots of friends, but I doubt they get laid that much.

[RealityofSaturdayNight]

Originally Posted by colver84

He basically admitted that if he told us the number of women he had actually slept with that we'd all demand our money back, and gave some excuses about not being interested in one night stands..

Yep because AFC Adam Lyons was caught lying about the number he's slept with in the Mainstream Media.

In this The Sun News paper article Adam Lyons lied about sleeping with 500+ Women in October 2009.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...&ATTR=Features

Whereby it said
"The former estate agent (his former profession as well as PR) has bedded more than 500 beautiful women - including celebrities and supermodels."

However in this video he basically contradicts this bullshit statement.

You Tube

This Youtube video from February 2008 Adam Lyons stated he "lost count at 30 (girls)" if you skip to the 3:43 time on the video.

He then states "its more than 30" yes only Thirty- thats only double digits!

Also he made a bullshit claim that he brings out 10 girls with him everynight he goes out, and that he only hangs around guys who can also bring out 10 girls each themselves. (although when I trained with him- only two short assed ankle biters turned up)


Adam Lyons did have something going on with MR M where they had some "getting average women into VIP Section" thingie going on in 2007 but closed it around March 2008.

AFC Adam had a count of "over 30" but then got engaged to his (now wife) in April 2008.


So is AFC Adam basically saying he shagged 470 Women in those 2 months early 2008
(or that he cheated on his wife Amanda Torres Lyons with those 470 women afterwards?)

I think not



PS: Props to "Dimitri" who found the original "The Sun" article as posted and commented here at PUAHATE and currently has over 2700 views.

http://www.puahate.com/showthread.php?t=564

[RealityofSaturdayNight]

Hi guys

Does anyone know how to recover old websites, either via there being a HTML recovery system, or the hosting company disclosing old Web Pages as Freedom of Information etc (BTW in the UK we have a Freedom of Information Act- so in theory I maybe able to go down that channel- I'll send an e-mail).

I'm trying to recover the following website
www.projectentourage.com
(thats the exact web address not to be confused with knock off websites that use similiar domain names)
because it was AFC Adams photographic proof that he was all about the Money, Fancy Nightclub Invites.

More specifically I need to access the "hidden section" which contained Adam's profile which confirmed his entire history.

This hidden part of the website + Diary of a Pick Up Artist E-book by Adam Lyons = a fradu and the proof the whole PUA Community is a SCAM.

Ok PUAHATE is a a good resource BUT this would be the final blow.

[Midnight]

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

More Specifically:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...tentourage.com

[Anonymous]

http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/...html?view=next

http://www.myspace.com/projectentourage
This is Adam Lyons right?

London's inner-circle of elite clubs and top hosts have established Project Entourage to find London's most beautiful and fun women to party VIP style at the UK's most exclusive clubs and parties. Membership to Project Entourage is invite only and very selective. Members typically get VIP entry, free drinks, a private table and bottle service at exclusive parties.

Add for updates on and invites to the hottest parties in London...

www.projectentourage.com

Also on Facebook, at Project Entourage

Project Entourage is on FIRE!!! Not only did we open our NY office in the U.S.A., But We just tagged Dallas, Tx as well. Make sure to check out their myspace: myspace.com/projectentouragedallas and request membership on their facebook group: Project Entourage: Dallas
Who I'd like to meet:
EVERYBODY involved With Project Entourage.... Girls, DO NOT forget that our Aspirations are that You will be able to travel the world and party with our Entourage members in the different cities! So far we have Go in New York,NY; and Dallas,TX

[Anonymous]

You Tube